Tuesday, May 31, 2005

Ja or Niet?

Ok so the French said "non" (and create lots of complicated stuff for the future of EU political unification). The Dutch will have the opportunity to have their say on Wednesday.

So what do you think? Another "niet"? or does it really matter anymore (for a "Ja")?


Chris the Brit said...

It's a tricky one. A common theme seems to be an "anti-establishment" movement for the "No" parties against the "Yes" parties that usually have the backing of the national leaders. This was certainly the case in France and looks to be happening again in Holland.

The UK was waiting to see what happened in France before moving on to our own referendum - its dodgy at the moment and if Holland fails to ratify it then it might not happen at all. A few former European MPs have said that it's dead, though...

This BBC site was good for finding out what the Constitution actually says...

bine said...

Most likely "nee"... The "TourNee" by Geert Wilders has been successful... but the underlying problems are not simply the constitution, but rather problems of integration and the events of the last months in the Netherlands, which, for most, have pointed to the fact that integration of foreigners has failed miserably.
Hence, a more integrated Europe invokes for many the picture of even bigger streams of foreigners, more unemployment, more violence, etc.
Integration needs some serious addressing, not just in the Netherlands, but Europe/world wide... (the old neverending story really)
Hopefully some sensible discussion of these issues will ensue in the next few weeks, sparked by a "non" and a "nee".

Abs said...

There's an excellent article in this week's Economist on the referendum. The Economist has been a staunch campaigner against the EU constitution for a while and in this week's publication, they have done an excellent job of explaining why a "Non" & a "Nee" would be not only good for France & NL but also for Europe as a whole.
In terms of what's going to happen...my sense is its going to be a strong "Nee"..that's what all the pre poll analysis says

Dody G. said...

What is dead here, The proposed constitution or the idea that Europe can ever have a political integration?

And how much of these "non"s are influenced by fear of Turkey and Muslim immigrants in Europe?

Abs said...

I think a closer integration of europe is feared by the general populace to bring a greater influx of immigrants and subsequently Islam.

The other arguement in favour of a no vote is the theory that a bigger EU constitution will mean reduced decision making power for the people of individual countries and more power in the hands of Brussels. (this is the basis of the "vote no" opinion explained in the Economist and one which I subscribe to)

Thomas said...

I can't see a link between fears of immigrants (muslim or whereever from) and the rejection of the constitution.

it is more about power-sharing agreements proposed by the constitution, distribution of financial responsibilities, etc.